I’m not going to lie, I could also be a bit bit obsessive about intestine well being. The truth is, I discuss it a lot at dwelling that my husband and our buddies have turned it right into a consuming recreation. And no, I’m not kidding. However I sort of can’t assist myself as a result of it’s a vastly necessary subject that’s so vital to our general well being, particularly in the event you’re a girl over 40 who’s making an attempt to drop some pounds and get wholesome.
And in the event you’re excited to be taught extra about how one can preserve your intestine wholesome, you’re going to love this visitor interview with Megan Lyons. She’s a double board licensed holistic nutritionist, and he or she has some tremendous useful and sensible tricks to share about, yep, you guessed it: Intestine well being, my favourite subject in the entire world.
So buckle up, good friend, as a result of it’s about to get nerdy.
Megan Lyons is a holistic nutritionist who’s the founding father of Lyons Share Wellness, the place she teaches about intestine well being, thyroid well being, and a lot extra.
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And let me let you know, Megan not solely is aware of her stuff, she truly explains it in a means that makes it really easy to know, which I believe makes it far more useful. And so with out additional ado, I’m so excited to have the ability to introduce you to our interview visitor, Megan Lyons.
Ruth: Megan, thanks a lot for being right here. It’s so nice to have you ever. Let’s simply begin by getting a bit background, who you might be, what you do and the way you bought to doing what you at the moment are.
Megan: After all. So like most of us, I’ve sort of a winding journey that in hindsight seems to be prefer it all flows collectively.
Nevertheless it didn’t really feel like that every one the best way on the time. I began out truly within the enterprise world. I studied economics at Harvard and I acquired an MBA and I used to be working in administration consulting and I actually appreciated it. It was enjoyable. However throughout that, I had my very own private well being journey that mainly resulted in me burning out.
I used to be burning the candle at a number of ends. I used to be over exercising. I didn’t know how one can nourish my physique. I used to be actually getting my well being data from magazines on the time, which sounds archaic now, however there was no Instagram. I didn’t know how one can entry PubMed. So I used to be doing all of the issues they stated.
And at 23, I walked into a health care provider’s workplace who fortunately examined my hormones, which is definitely fairly progressive wanting again, and he or she stated, “Your hormones are decrease than the postmenopausal ladies that I see. One thing have to be flawed. You should simply need to be on medicine for the remainder of your life.” And I simply knew proper then that if I had gotten myself into this example that I might additionally get myself out of it.
In order that began me studying extra about true well being and diet. And as soon as you discover it, it’s simply actually laborious to not share it. So I ended up leaving that in 2014 and beginning my enterprise, the Lyons Share, and haven’t seemed again since.
Ruth: Superb. I do know precisely what you’re speaking about. When you uncover that and your eyes are opened, you’re like, why doesn’t all people do that?
It’s fascinating that your physician would have examined your hormones once you had been solely 23 years previous, like kudos, however then she instantly went to simply put you on medicine for the remainder of your life.
Megan: That’s proper, and I’m truly grateful, wanting again, that she did take a look at the hormones, as we stated, however I additionally perceive that at that time, it was irregular and it was not mentioned for a 23 12 months previous younger girl to really have the signs that I used to be having and to tie it to something other than, oh, genetics.
I believe purposeful drugs and all of the associated fields have come to this point since then that as of late it’d really feel a bit bit extra regular to suppose, “Oh, hormones, is there a way of life challenge? Is there a diet challenge? However again then it simply wasn’t taught and wasn’t considered.
Ruth: So the place did that journey take you then? What did you do first? And what had been the hormonal points that you just had been having and the way did you determine how one can repair them?
Megan: Completely. So the hormonal points I used to be having, I hadn’t had a interval for over 12 months. So, that’s the official definition of menopause, which I used to be 23 and there needed to be a unique trigger apart from age associated menopause.
However much more drastic was simply the best way I felt. I’ve by no means been somebody since then or earlier than who looks like I’ve mind fog. I’ve at all times been a excessive power particular person, however I’d describe it to my husband and people near me as like, “There’s somebody residing in my head that simply is making me be in a nasty temper and making me drained and I don’t wish to be that.” I felt very disconnected from my physique in a means that I simply didn’t know how one can pinpoint what it was.
And it seems it was a confluence of things. It wasn’t simply estrogen and progesterone, but additionally my thyroid was off and cortisol, which is the stress hormone that sort of controls a variety of these, that was off. So my complete endocrine system was a bit wacky, however the second a part of your query was, what did I truly do?
I’ve at all times been a reader. I learn a lot for pleasure and for schooling. So I actually dove into some books and that led me to conferences, which initially of my journey, that was such enjoyable. I’d do enterprise in the course of the week, after which I’d go escape to this weekend convention the place I’d simply be taught this complete different aspect of the world, and that’s what finally lit me up and brought about me to leap ship from the previous profession.
Ruth: So then how lengthy did it take so that you can begin feeling higher? Like, did you see the distinction instantly? What did you modify? What did you do?
Megan: Yeah. I want the reply was sure. It could be a significantly better story if it was like, I simply added blueberries after which inside two weeks, I felt wonderful, but it surely wasn’t that means for me and happily, or sadly, I don’t suppose it’s that means for most individuals, even those that I see with extra data as of late.
So in whole, it most likely took me a strong 12 months and a half to nearly two years to essentially really feel like myself. I felt marginally higher, or I’d even have stated then largely higher inside most likely two to a few months. However wanting again, all the pieces didn’t begin firing once more as a result of I had dug myself so deep right into a gap.
I additionally wasn’t prepared to go all in again then. So I’ll inform my purchasers coping with related points proper now. “Okay, if we might simply take you out of your life with like, no child stress, you’re going to stop work for some time, you’re not going to maintain the home, you’re simply going to go dwell on a seaside in Tahiti and eat natural meals that you just grew in your yard.
“Properly, you may most likely heal a bit bit faster, however most of us will not be prepared to do this or in a position to do this.” And I definitely had one toe into the therapeutic as a result of I actually believed in it, but additionally one toe again in my previous life, as a result of I like being that onerous charging particular person.
And even right this moment, I nonetheless continuously get to verify myself as a result of I do know I can simply revert to that one who will sleep when she’s useless and can overwork and can do all these items. That does nonetheless mild me up if I’m completely sincere. I simply know higher now that it’s not good. It doesn’t have the glitz and glamour that it appears to have in my head.
And it at all times leads me really feel worse. So, I don’t know if that was a solution to your query, however that was a part of my journey.
Ruth: No, it was. And I believe it’s so good to really contact on that as a result of I believe a variety of occasions, individuals desire a fast repair. And also you at all times need to suppose, you didn’t get to the place you might be proper now in a single day. And therapeutic your self and therapeutic your physique, particularly since you nonetheless have life… You continue to have all these different influences which are coming in. It’s laborious to alter all the pieces .
It’s a means of therapeutic. And it seems like that’s the way it was for you. So inform us a bit bit extra about what you do, what you do now and the place your degree of experience is. Trigger you’ve acquired all these holistic diet levels and carried out all these items.
You appear a bit kind A, can I say that?
Megan: You’ll be able to say it and I’ll settle for it. Once you go all in, you’re like, I’m going all in. So I do wish to go all in. My enterprise aspect would say, “Oh, Megan, you’ve acquired to have a distinct segment. It’s important to have one particular specialty. And my coronary heart says there are such a lot of individuals on the market which are best for you which have quite a lot of totally different situations.”
And I’ve adopted my coronary heart, truthfully, on this enterprise. So I don’t have one particular kind of shopper that I work with. I’ve a group of purposeful nutritionists as properly that work with me. And we work with everybody from somebody who is perhaps 25 and simply beginning to find out about well being… It’s like me again within the day… all the best way as much as our oldest shopper who has been 87.
However I’d say the majority of individuals we work with, most likely 70 to 80 % of our purchasers, are these ladies of their forties or possibly late thirties, possibly early fifties, possibly sixties, even who’re simply beginning to really feel like their physique doesn’t work the identical because it did earlier than, that they’re doing the identical issues and so they’re consuming the identical, possibly even higher.
They usually’re sleeping and so they’re making an attempt to verify all of the packing containers, however one thing’s a bit bit off. And so for me, it’s actually enjoyable to have that be like a detective puzzle. Is it the thyroid? Is it the intestine? Is it the best way that they’re feeling and so they simply don’t know how one can gasoline? Like I didn’t know again once I was 23, however that’s the attribute that pulls me to an individual or attracts an individual to me, somebody who says, “I’ve tried all of the issues and I’m nonetheless not feeling optimum.”
Ruth: I really like that. So what do you discover inside that sort of inhabitants? The majority of your purchasers that you just see in that late thirties to let’s say early sixties vary, what’s your first suspicion? Do you could have a hierarchy of what it normally is?
Megan: Sure, that’s such an ideal query. I adore it. I’d most likely say that if I had to decide on one, it normally begins within the intestine. I imagine nearly all the points that we’re coping with right this moment begin within the intestine.
So lots of people now are saying, Oh, no, properly, it’s not my intestine. I’m common. And even then I would probe a bit bit deeper and so they’re like, yeah, I’m common. I’ve a bowel motion each 4 days. And it’s sort of pebbly and dry. However that’s not common, by the best way, however we would not really feel like their digestive signs are their worst signs.
I do discover although that just about at all times after we give attention to decreasing that irritation within the intestine, then we will give attention to a number of the different signs. So intestine would most likely be primary. Truthfully, with this demographic, I’m going to say thyroid might be going to be quantity two. Lots of people say, Oh, it have to be my thyroid.
They usually don’t actually know, however oftentimes they’re proper. Our trendy meals society is about up. not for supportive or for wholesome blood sugar. And so that may be the basis of a variety of the problems as properly. So the third, if I had to decide on a 3rd, it might be blood sugar, which is getting an increasing number of talked about as of late.
Ruth: So let’s return to intestine well being as a result of that’s such a giant one for individuals and I believe that it’s beginning to get talked about a bit bit extra. However I don’t suppose it will get talked about practically sufficient. So how does that turn out to be the factor that’s affecting all the pieces else in your physique? Are you able to clarify that a bit bit extra? Like, why is it so essential?
Megan: Completely. So the intestine needs to be like a display screen door that has the tiniest little holes in it potential.
So we’re not making an attempt to let any bugs in our home with our display screen door. We’re not making an attempt to let any meals particles into our bloodstream from our intestine. And that’s why the intestine is that this semi permeable lining. Solely escaping by the intestine lining needs to be little micronutrients, possibly some vitamin C or possibly another sort of supportive issues that our blood can carry the place it must go.
However when we have now stress, when we have now poisonous publicity, when we have now extreme extremely processed meals, when we have now alcohol, when we have now antibiotics, this complete lengthy checklist of issues, that intestine lining simply begins changing into like a extremely previous display screen door that now the holes are a lot larger and extra stuff can escape by.
And when stuff, like an entire chunk now of broccoli or no matter meals you eat, will get into the bloodstream, your physique mounts this assault on it. Your immune system comes into play and that creates irritation. And irritation now we all know has been linked to most cancers and sort two diabetes and heart problems, all these items the place irritation is definitely a contributor.
If it occurs in a small space, like if I sprained my ankle and my ankle will get infected, that’s useful. However when our intestine is having these points and creating all this irritation, that’s when all of the signs begin. So if we will simply give attention to therapeutic up that intestine lining, then we will cut back the irritation and get the physique again to a baseline after which work out what different downstream impacts or conditions we have to resolve.
Ruth: So how does anyone know if they’ve intestine points? You stated individuals suppose, “Oh, my poop is common,” however like, are you able to inform by your poop? Or is it different issues it’s best to have a look at? Or what are the large indicators?
Megan: Yeah, actually nice query. So I can say you possibly can inform your intestine is just not wholesome by your poop.
And so a wholesome bowel motion needs to be that we’re having it one to a few occasions per day. Going to the lavatory one to a few occasions per day, individuals suppose that’s so much. Individuals suppose each one to a few days is extra regular, but it surely’s not. And it ought to be capable of have a bowel motion with out espresso, laxatives, any of that sort of stuff.
Now I really like espresso, so I’m not saying it’s a must to surrender espresso altogether, however we will’t depend on that to have a bowel motion each day. And folks can truly Google one thing known as the Bristol Stool Scale– which you’ve by no means needed to see a lot poop multi functional image– but it surely ought to appear like that quantity 4. The Bristol Stool Scale has one to seven. And primary is extra like pellets, like little teeny pellets. And quantity seven is like diarrhea and 4 is true within the center. I wish to check with it as frozen yogurt consistency, though that turns individuals off from frozen yogurt.
So I’m sorry however that’s what it ought to appear like. And we should always have it one to a few occasions a day. So if it’s not that, and you recognize what, let’s be sincere. Everybody has occasions that it’s not precisely like that. So if it occurs a couple of times, please don’t freak out. But when you recognize, “Oh my gosh, each single time it’s diarrhea or no matter, then you recognize, your intestine is just not wholesome.”
However let’s say you might be that one who has one quantity 4 bowel motion each single day on the stool scale. So that you’re like, Oh no, it’s not me. A pair different actually frequent issues I see: Primary, pores and skin points. So pores and skin is immediately reflective of intestine well being. For lots of my purchasers who’re coping with eczema or rosacea or pimples, even grownup pimples, this could be a manifestation of poor intestine well being.
Additionally mind fog is likely one of the commonest issues that I see. So I had mind fog again once I was going by my well being journey. And that was a sign to me that one thing was off, however individuals who simply really feel like, you recognize, I’m simply not as sharp. I simply can’t focus as a lot as I used to have the ability to focus.
After which issues like persistent cravings, like I’m maintaining a healthy diet meals, and I nonetheless simply can’t preserve my hand out of the sweet jar there. That’s most likely a sign that you just’re not absorbing your vitamins properly sufficient and so that you’re having these cravings. So lots of people suppose, “Oh, you bought to take a probiotic, proper?”
Ruth: That’s good on your intestine. Like, is that every one it’s a must to do? Or what are the steps to get your intestine more healthy in the event you really feel prefer it’s not wholesome.
Megan: Yeah, completely. So I’d say that probiotics had their heyday the place each single particular person stated that everybody must be on a probiotic after which they had been sort of vilified like, “Oh, my gosh, no, don’t do probiotics.”
And I are likely to fall someplace within the center the place I truly suppose most individuals would profit from a probiotic. In the event that they’re not consuming a variety of fermented meals, like sauerkraut and kimchi and actual pickles and kefir and tempeh. There are every kind of various fermented meals the place in most cultures, they’ve traditionally consumed fermented meals as a part of their common diets. We don’t eat a variety of that every day. So most individuals I believe would profit from a probiotic. However there are a few of these situations like SIBO, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth, the place the micro organism sort of go up too far into the small gut.
And a probiotic would possibly even make that worse. So this is the reason some individuals are cautious. However I’d say that most individuals know that in the event that they take a probiotic and their signs worsen, then that’s most likely not one of the best for you. In any other case, in the event you’re not consuming fermented meals, that might be a superb transfer for you.
However there are numerous different issues, such as you stated, and considered one of them is decreasing the inflammatory content material of our meals. Most of our meals as of late is packaged and extremely processed and I’m definitely not excellent right here though that is my job. I’ve positively had packaged meals prior to now 24 hours, though I actually attempt to put together nearly all of my meals. However I’m human and it’s 2024 and that’s okay.
Nevertheless, as a way to keep shelf steady, in that packaged meals is a variety of merchandise which are irritating to our intestine. So in the event you have a look at the label you’ll see chemical soup and you may consider that as irritating to your intestine.
After which issues like added sugar and alcohol. And even to some extent, gluten and dairy, which I don’t suppose everybody has to eradicate gluten and dairy altogether. But when we have a look at the typical American consuming 8 to 14 servings of gluten per day in whole, that’s so much. That’s an excessive amount of for the typical particular person’s intestine well being. So after we take into consideration all these items coming collectively, after which the dearth of Anti-inflammatory vitamins, meals like greens and fruits and wholesome fats and water and even meditation and stress reduction, our food plan is fairly lopsided.
I’ve a handout for my purchasers, which is sort of a see noticed. I simply say, the place’s your see noticed tipped? Are you extra to the inflammatory aspect or extra to the anti-inflammatory aspect? After which we simply select little issues. Okay, can we add yet one more vegetable to your day? Can we add some berries along with your breakfast? Can we swap that sweet bar for no matter else, one other complete meals? It’s simply these little tweaks that get us again to the fundamentals that basically can help our intestine well being.
Ruth: Attention-grabbing. So in the event you’re making little tweaks, I’d assume that your progress goes to go slower, proper? After which in the event you’re going all in, how lengthy would it not take to go from like, my intestine’s a multitude to I acquired a rockin wholesome intestine. What’s the timeframe on that?
And what’s the quickest you may heal your intestine?
Megan: Properly, these are two totally different questions. The quickest you may heal your intestine, like all in, true kind A kind… I’m gonna shock individuals most likely on the underwhelming aspect and say three months. As a result of our intestine lining truly turns over fairly rapidly, relying on the kind of cells. Inside every week for lots of the varieties of cells in our intestine lining, so we will begin feeling a distinction in a short time. However to completely restore a leaky intestine with intestinal permeability, and to completely cut back that irritation, I’m going to say three months is the shortest time.
After which let’s say, you’re like me with one toe within the therapeutic and one toe in my previous way of life. If I had had full data, even with out going all in, I believe I might have carried out it in six months figuring out now what I do. So I believe three to 6 months for most individuals. Set your sights on that. And we do wish to really feel higher.
For those who don’t really feel higher in any respect inside two weeks, then that’s not the precise protocol for you. However simply set your sights on a bit bit long run to really feel totally higher.
Ruth: That’s good to know. I really feel like that’s a superb timeline. It’s laborious to make any actual vital change in your physique in lower than three months. As a result of all of it works collectively and it’s all linked. Talking of being all linked, let’s discuss a bit bit about thyroid as properly, since that’s such an enormous challenge. So if intestine is the primary line of protection, thyroid is subsequent commonest.
How are you aware if you’re having some type of thyroid challenge or what makes you think that?
Megan: Properly, I believe thyroid points are very troublesome as a result of primary, they’re nonetheless underdiagnosed, though they’re being talked about extra. Most practitioners will simply take a look at a TSH, which individuals have seen on their lab work, and that’s not even a thyroid hormone.
That’s a hormone secreted by your pituitary that alerts your thyroid to provide the thyroid hormones. So if we’re simply testing that, we’re actually lacking the intricate particulars of what’s occurring within the thyroid. But in addition as a result of the signs are so overlapping and many individuals are getting gaslit as a result of a number of the signs like bloating, constipation, fatigue, cussed weight acquire or incapability to drop some pounds, insomnia, mind fog… these might be disregarded as like, “Oh yeah, everybody feels that means. That’s regular.” And regular on this case is just not optimum. So possibly sure, the typical girl does have mind fog and constipation and incapability to drop some pounds, however that’s not what we needs to be striving for.
So it’s not optimum. And and not using a main signal, like, eczema the place there’s a visible manifestation and somebody can have a look at that and say, sure, that’s eczema with thyroid problems, we don’t diagnose the dysfunction. And we don’t at all times even have that. So I believe it’s fairly powerful for individuals to get acceptable consideration.
And it’s tremendous, tremendous frequent as of late due to all the stress that we’re underneath and are altering meals provide and all these issues. As much as 60 % of people that have a thyroid dysfunction or situation don’t even know they’ve it.
Ruth: Wow. Actually?
Megan: Yeah. Thyroid medicine is likely one of the most prescribed drugs on the market.
Ruth: So do you suppose the one technique to definitively inform is to get a blood take a look at or have your thyroid examined? I imply, if I take your query for the phrases that you just stated, that’s the one technique to definitively know.
Megan: Sure, I do suppose it’s a blood take a look at. So I wish to order lab checks solely primarily based on my shopper’s urge for food for them. If I had my very own means and lab checks had been free, I’d run all of the lab checks on each single particular person as a result of extra data is healthier for me. However some individuals, they really feel over examined or that it’s not financially possible or many different the reason why individuals wouldn’t wish to get a take a look at.
So there are numerous issues that might be supportive of a thyroid situation that truthfully don’t harm in any other case, like selenium and zinc are thyroid supportive vitamins actually specializing in stress and sleep administration is huge so we will make some progress even when we don’t formally know. However I believe on the finish of the day, the one technique to definitively know is to run that full thyroid panel, not simply the TSH.
Ruth: Gotcha. However say you do know that you’ve a thyroid challenge, possibly you’ve been examined, possibly you go to the physician, they take a look at you, they are saying, yep, it’s a thyroid challenge and instantly they’re going to wish to put you on Synthroid or one thing related, proper? So what’s your strategy to that? I’m assuming you’re taking extra of a holistic strategy.
Megan: Yeah, so I do. However once more, it depends upon the shopper. And generally I’ll discuss to their main care supplier. And different occasions we’ll simply let the shopper be the middleman. Some individuals are like, I really feel so dangerous proper now. I wish to take medicine and I’ll work on truly therapeutic my physique.
And that’s okay. It’s completely their perspective. Different individuals are like, No, let’s give it a shot. If I can begin feeling higher in three months, then I can keep away from the medicine. And that’s additionally nice. I do know that within the overwhelming majority of instances, we will get individuals feeling higher even with out medicine. And that’s wonderful.
However generally medicine is useful. My solely drawback with medicine is when practitioners slap it on the particular person with out even giving them a consideration or making an attempt the rest. That’s the place I believe we’ve gone flawed. I don’t suppose medicine is all evil although. No, it’s not all evil, however there’s so much that’s.
Ruth: I don’t disagree with that. Large pharma is just not my favourite. I discuss that so much. So what are the overall way of life adjustments that you’d advocate anyone, particularly a girl of their forties, fifties, sixties, to make, to simply general really feel higher?
Megan: Sure. So I’ve a button that’s simply exterior of arm’s attain, however I name it my magic button. It doesn’t truly do something, sadly, however I’ll present it to my purchasers and be like, if I might change one factor that might take advantage of distinction in your well being, what would it not be? And I promise you 99 occasions out of 100, they know what it’s. Perhaps it’s that I haven’t exercised in 10 years, or possibly it’s, I’m over exercising.
Perhaps it’s, I actually am not sleeping or I’m taking an excessive amount of metaphorically on my shoulders, or I’m gazing a display screen 14 hours a day, or I’m on this poisonous relationship. Nearly at all times they know the largest factor. And so then my job is to assist them break it down and work out how will we truly take motion?
As a result of data with out motion is just not actually that useful. Nevertheless it’s laborious. Let’s say somebody’s challenge is stress. Properly, that’s a lot simpler stated than carried out. It’s not similar to, Oh, cease being careworn. Properly, goodness is aware of they’ve considered that earlier than. We simply have to determine how one can do it. It’s our way of life as of late the place all of us suppose we’re tremendous ladies… and I do too.
And we expect we should always do all the issues all the time. And that simply doesn’t normally result in a wholesome way of life or physique. So primary is the magic button. What’s your factor that we will begin making a bit little bit of progress on? Quantity two might be associated for most individuals, which is carving out a while within the day for you.
And I do know all the the reason why individuals’s alarm bells are going off saying they’ll’t, possibly they’ve a variety of children and so they’re working and all of these items, however all of us are human and we do want that little time within the day. One of many main issues that helped me in my therapeutic course of was my morning routine.
I adore it within the morning. I don’t suppose it needs to be within the morning, however that’s my time. I actually have this pink blanket and I wish to cozy up even within the Texas summer season and I learn and I do gratitude and I do these items that don’t take very lengthy, however they’re soul fulfilling for me. So for another individuals that may imply they’ve a dialog with their finest good friend on the cellphone each day after they’re strolling or they take a shower, which isn’t my factor, but it surely’s wonderful if it’s another person’s.
Simply one thing little, a couple of minutes per day you can carve out for you. After which third, since I believe you requested for 3, or possibly I simply make all the pieces into three, can be to essentially give attention to these greens. I do know that everybody has heard this. And I do know everybody thinks they need to be consuming extra.
However when I’ve individuals in for the primary time and I say, Oh, are you consuming greens? They’re like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I get to the extra attractive stuff. After which I give them this little put up it observe. And I say, each time this week that you’ve a vegetable, simply give me a bit tally and inevitably they’ll come again and so they’ll be like, Oh my gosh, I believed I used to be consuming actually healthily.
And there are solely two on this tally for the week. So I do suppose that specializing in that and never solely what we’re taking out, just like the sugar and all of that sort of stuff, however including in these greens can be my third.
Ruth: Like it. Like it. Such good recommendation. So Megan, how can anyone discover you to seek out out extra about serving to them with all of these items?
Megan: All the pieces is linked on my web site, theLyonsShare.org. I’ve been running a blog each week since 2013, so there’s a variety of free data up there. If somebody simply needs to go looking we have now some enjoyable freebies after which all of the hyperlinks on how one can work with our group are up there as properly.
Ruth: Superior. I adore it. Thanks a lot for being right here, Megan. This was so useful and so informative.
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